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Post by thesporerex on Feb 15, 2014 11:32:32 GMT
I really don't know what the outcome might be, its hard to tell with the few remains of siats
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Post by themechabaryonyx789 on Feb 15, 2014 11:32:58 GMT
Theropod1 from carnivora. All you have to search is Acrocanthosaurus vs Siats to get it.
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Post by themechabaryonyx789 on Feb 15, 2014 11:35:11 GMT
Actually no wait it was made by MysteryMeat from carnivora.
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Post by Hatzegopteryx on Feb 15, 2014 11:54:06 GMT
Thesporerex: The Siats meekerorum specimen was an immature individual, and we don't have information on this animal's growth rate. How am I denying it that it would be larger at adult size? That is quite obvious, and I wouldn't deny that.
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Post by thesporerex on Feb 15, 2014 12:09:52 GMT
We don't know the growth rate, so why debate about the growth rate. its smaller than an adult siats thats all we know and considering it was only described a few months ago we know hardly anything about it.
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Post by Hatzegopteryx on Feb 15, 2014 13:11:16 GMT
Because Mecha brought up a possible adult size, while the specimen we have is about 30 feet in length. I am not sure what taxa they used to scale it, but since Australovenator wintonensis is its sister taxon, maybe that should be used.
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Post by themechabaryonyx789 on Feb 15, 2014 13:13:29 GMT
No I'm pretty sure the specimen we have found is around 11-12 metres in length and is a sub-adult. I didn't bring up a possible adult size, I simply stated that an adult Siats would be larger than a sub-adult Siats.
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Post by Hatzegopteryx on Feb 15, 2014 13:14:31 GMT
Do you have a source for 11-12 metres? Or did you just scale it? If the answer is the latter, what figures and species have you used for it?
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Post by themechabaryonyx789 on Feb 15, 2014 13:43:31 GMT
Quoted from Blaze from Carnivora: "The paper does estimate its mass at 3.9 tonnes, there's no mention of total length, but assuming perfect isometry with Acrocanthosaurus it'll be ~10.8m long (~35ft), I'll check with Hartman's Neovenator, that should be a better comparison, but of course, not perfect since Siats is not that complete. edit: I think I'll compare using other parts of the body, comparing with Neovenator using the estimated femur length yields 11.7m in length from tip to tip, that's too big, IMO.
edit2: So, the 13th dorsal is 54% longer than that of the holotype of Neovenator, the 5th is 89% longer, removing the bones from the skeletal in the paper (is not that good) and trying to fit them in Neovenator, I got it at something like 55% bigger, it turned up again over 11m from tip to tip..."
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Post by thesporerex on Feb 15, 2014 13:47:45 GMT
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Post by Hatzegopteryx on Feb 15, 2014 13:51:08 GMT
Siats meekerorum is not very closely related to Neovenator salerii, it is more closely related to Australovenaor wintonensis and Fukuiraptor kitadaniensis, according to Zanno & Makovicky (2013).
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Post by themechabaryonyx789 on Feb 15, 2014 14:36:55 GMT
It is confusing how some Neovenatorids have 'raptor' in their last names, when their not even in the same taxon as Dromeosaurids.
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Post by Hatzegopteryx on Feb 15, 2014 14:40:25 GMT
Well, "raptor" is not necessarily a synonym for "dromaeosaurid", that is only said by some people because dromaeosaurids usually end with that word.
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Post by themechabaryonyx789 on Feb 15, 2014 19:56:13 GMT
Well its confusing nonetheless.
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Post by Hatzegopteryx on Feb 15, 2014 20:10:38 GMT
Kinda, yes.
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