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Post by themechabaryonyx789 on Feb 17, 2014 22:21:05 GMT
Also, where did you get ~1,400kg for MOR 693? I have never seen that figure, the computer analysis indicates ~1,500kg. 1.4-1.5 tons is what I meant. I heard those estimates for Neovenator, a similar sized carnosaur.
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Post by thesporerex on Feb 17, 2014 23:04:37 GMT
Why not just use 1.5 then? Its the ACTUAL estimate.
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Post by Hatzegopteryx on Feb 17, 2014 23:13:47 GMT
I guess you are simply not getting the point - Deinonychus antirrhopus is around the size of a small to average Cougar. So why would an animal that is MULTIPLE times larger have a weak bite? Proportionally, yes, it did. I am just telling you not to underestimate its biteforce in all-in-all standards. And yes, they are - Are you really using a 1998 study? Stop using speculative behaviour, we do not know if the Megaraptoran would assume this kind of offensive posture so quickly while fighting a similarly-sized animal. And yes, it does need to outflank it, since the head pretty much covers the neck while face-to-face, and how it is harder to get an animal's neck that is facing you, also when the same animal can turn quicker than you can. Those advantages aren't so great to the point it wins comfortably, seeing as its opponent isn't gonna stay there and wait to get killed I would say this is around 55% in favour of Megaraptor namunhuaiquii. I agree it would win, but saying it would win comfortably is just very exagerated(like saying 80% in favour of Spinosaurus aegyptiacus against Tyrannosaurus rex) yeah carnotaurus might have had a strong bite in all-in-all standards, but this is up against a carnosaur that is similar in size, in which it still wouldn't cause such fatal damage without getting seriously wounded itself. and megaraptor can still easily target carnotaurus's face that covers the neck, its razor sharp teeth are obviously going to tear the abelisaurid's face up, and that cannot really happen for vice versa since carnotaurus does not have the slashing dentition the carnosaur has. yes the carnotaurus will not obviously just stay there and wait to die, but it's not like it can stop megaraptor from biting it on the face. Exactly, so why do you think its foe can cause lethal damage to it easily, while they are around the same size? There you go, sorry to say but that's quite biased (even when one of them has far superior weaponry, since you overestimated one of them and underestimated the other one). I agree with your last statement, it can easily get bitten on its skull, but remember that the opposite can also happen, and neither of them will die from skull bites to eachother. The face is a far easier target, and I think this is a close match.
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Post by Hatzegopteryx on Feb 17, 2014 23:14:24 GMT
@mecha It is incredibly close to 1.5, so just round it up.
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Post by Allosaurus on Feb 17, 2014 23:40:55 GMT
yeah carnotaurus might have had a strong bite in all-in-all standards, but this is up against a carnosaur that is similar in size, in which it still wouldn't cause such fatal damage without getting seriously wounded itself. and megaraptor can still easily target carnotaurus's face that covers the neck, its razor sharp teeth are obviously going to tear the abelisaurid's face up, and that cannot really happen for vice versa since carnotaurus does not have the slashing dentition the carnosaur has. yes the carnotaurus will not obviously just stay there and wait to die, but it's not like it can stop megaraptor from biting it on the face. Exactly, so why do you think its foe can cause lethal damage to it easily, while they are around the same size? There you go, sorry to say but that's quite biased (even when one of them has far superior weaponry, since you overestimated one of them and underestimated the other one). I agree with your last statement, it can easily get bitten on its skull, but remember that the opposite can also happen, and neither of them will die from skull bites to eachother. The face is a far easier target, and I think this is a close match. because the carnosaur is built to attack animals larger than itself. and sure carnotaurus could bite megaraptor on the face aswell, but it wouldn't cause nearly as much damage.
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Post by Hatzegopteryx on Feb 17, 2014 23:53:51 GMT
Exactly, so why do you think its foe can cause lethal damage to it easily, while they are around the same size? There you go, sorry to say but that's quite biased (even when one of them has far superior weaponry, since you overestimated one of them and underestimated the other one). I agree with your last statement, it can easily get bitten on its skull, but remember that the opposite can also happen, and neither of them will die from skull bites to eachother. The face is a far easier target, and I think this is a close match. because the carnosaur is built to attack animals larger than itself. and sure carnotaurus could bite megaraptor on the face aswell, but it wouldn't cause nearly as much damage. Though those are not animals that fight back by biting. And of course, but keep in mind that's not very relevant since, as I said, bites to the face aren't deadly. Anyway, I favour Megaraptor namunhuaiquii slightly.
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Post by thesporerex on Feb 18, 2014 9:56:12 GMT
you could pretty much rename this thread allosaurus vs carnotaurus and it would pretty much be the same lol
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Post by thesporerex on Feb 18, 2014 10:02:52 GMT
Here is a megaraptor skeleton cast it seems pretty giganotosaurus like but its pretty standard carnosaur bite while carnotaurus its teeth are very small and its skull is very short and and narrow. Some suggest it can use a hatchet bite like allosaurus.
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Post by Koolyote on Feb 18, 2014 12:53:37 GMT
The speed factor isn't important, also the horns weren't too heavy so the impact force with and without them is the same, basically. Also, claws are quite overrated IMHO. Overrated or not, they're a very effective weapon IMO. The Megaraptor has basically every advantages needed there.
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Post by Hatzegopteryx on Feb 18, 2014 15:54:35 GMT
The speed factor isn't important, also the horns weren't too heavy so the impact force with and without them is the same, basically. Also, claws are quite overrated IMHO. Overrated or not, they're a very effective weapon IMO. The Megaraptor has basically every advantages needed there. Those "advantages" are overrated, they don't really make it a mismatch. Also, claws aren't main weapons in theropods, so have that in mind.
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Post by thesporerex on Feb 18, 2014 22:27:48 GMT
The bite is for carnotaurus but it is clearly inferior to that of other theropods. It was designed to hatchet bite much smaller dinosaurs based on its anatomy.
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Post by Koolyote on Feb 19, 2014 17:25:04 GMT
Overrated or not, they're a very effective weapon IMO. The Megaraptor has basically every advantages needed there. Those "advantages" are overrated, they don't really make it a mismatch. Also, claws aren't main weapons in theropods, so have that in mind. I realize that, but if Megaraptor has such huge claws it most likely used them often.
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Post by Hatzegopteryx on Feb 19, 2014 18:07:29 GMT
Those "advantages" are overrated, they don't really make it a mismatch. Also, claws aren't main weapons in theropods, so have that in mind. I realize that, but if Megaraptor has such huge claws it most likely used them often. Still, they aren't causing any kind of lethal damage so quickly.
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Post by thesporerex on Feb 20, 2014 10:56:44 GMT
This isn't a mismatch but Megaraptor wins a significant amount of times. They are going to cause quite a bit of damage.
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Post by Hatzegopteryx on Feb 20, 2014 19:10:14 GMT
Yeah, calling this "easy" for either sides just sounds wrong.
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